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Tim Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 02:21 - Edited by: Moderator Reply Greetings, Wednesday, 15th of August 2006, Lussekatt and I had a intresting conversation about my experiences in the concentration camps of Auschwitz. I told her almost everything about my experience in the deathcamps located in Poland. Words don?t tell everything, was my conclusion on the end of our conversation, and I wondered if she was intrested in photographs made by some close friends. She was intrested and I offered her 3 options; sending the photo?s by email, sending the photo?s throughout MSN Messenger or make a photo story on the forum. We both agreed that a photo story telling my experiences would be intresting for forumers. A few notes before I start telling: This topic is created to tell about my experiences, not to offend anyone or hurt someone. The opinions are mine, and could be different then your opinion, still I hope you respect my opinion, I will do the same with you. If anyone is offended or hurt by this topic or if someone feels that this topic shouldn?t be on the Ruslana forums or if someone feels uncomfortable with this topic, he/she can state it in the same topic, and I will make sure a moderator will close/delete this topic. If you have any questions about this, just state them. I kindly ask you not to post untill I say you can, so the whole story is in one line Sometimes a comment can be a little bit scary for younger kids. Why did I choose to write a story about my experiences? Well, I personally still think it?s very important to respect the people who died in the second World War. Some people are forgotting how cruel some people could be, and how hard life could be. This is just a reminder to everyone, that you should never forgot what was done during the second World War, and that you should respect everyone unprecedented his/her gender, culture, country, disabled or way of life or sexual preferences. The story is made chronological, the photo?s are taken from the time we arrived, and the time we went away with the bus. Some photo?s have comments, others are just placed to give more photographical details. A photograph taken from the map of Auschwitz during the WWII. You can see in the center of the map campside 1, to your right you can see campside 3 (which is closed for public now a days). Campside 2 isn?t shown on this map. One of the barracks in campside one, which is currently used as the entrance to Aushwitz. Hunderds tourists were waiting to enter the campside. After we entered Campside One, we had a little stop at this place. People started making photo?s of the enourmes barracks, where hunderds and thousands of people lived in during the second WW. If you look closer, you can see the gate which says: ?Arbeit Macht Frei?. Arbeit Macht Frei means: Working gives freedom. It meant: hard working will eventually lead to freedom. Thousands of people walked underneath this gate with the back of their head thinking about freedom, eventually most of them died. The famous sentence of the workcamps. Working hard should eventually lead to freedom. However only a few were able to survive the deathcamps of Auschwitz. Two large fences were keeping the several campparts seperated. Between those fences, SS with guard dogs were patrolling and had the right to shoot on anyone trying to escape. ] A guardtower of the SS. The tower was pretty high, so you could imagine that the guard had a good view over the area, which resulted in almost no escapes. Again a large 2 floor barrack. A photograph taken from a photo hanging on the wall. The photo?s shows families which has just arrived at the camps of Auschwitz. [img]http://www.geocities.com/tim_1989_culemborg/DSC01312[/img] A scale model of a fully stacked cargo train. About 80 people (depending on the train type) were ?loaded? in these trains, and had to stay therere for about 8 days, depending on how far they needed to travel. You could imagine that it was a hell for the people inside those trains. This photo is a little bit vauge, but here you can see how the people were driven into the gaschambers. I am not 100% sure, but I thought the total capacity per gaschamber in Auschwitz was about 1000-2000 people. The first victims of the Endlosung in Auschwitz were jews captured in Bratislava. Chaos arrised as soon as the cans of ?Zyklom B? were thrown in the ?showers?. As soon as the gas was neutral again, workers started to bring the bodies to the ovens. Teeth and hair were removed. A fake can of ?Zylon B?. A lot of cans of the chemical ?Zyklon B?. For more information go to: [url=]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B[/url] Some of the human hair which was shaved of the bodies. Some of the glasses of people. Some of the prostetics of the people who were driven in to the gaschambers because of the Endlosung. People took everything with them, because they first promised to be able to built up a new life in the ghetto?s. One train load of suitcases. Our group being from the Netherlands stood still at this suitcase for a few moments, to remember the Dutch people who died during the WWII. As you can see, also high educated jews were murdered. Some of the shoes of the victims. A narrow hall with photo?s of some of the people who died in Auschwitz I. A execution wall, the SS shot here a few people per day, to show that no mercy was given to any trying to escape. I am not 100% sure what this was, but if I remember correctly, this is the cell where a priest died. He had given up his life, for another person. If I am correct Pope Benedictus recently visitied this cell, to remember the priest who gave up his life. A view from a barrack. A torturing technique of the SS. People were hung with their arms attached to the top of the pole. They only had little space to stand with their feet, and would eventually dislocated their own shoulders.
Tim Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 02:26 - Edited by: Tim Reply These views were commen in the camps of Auschwitz. A person from Auschwitz. This was the end of the part of Auschwitz I. The following photo?s are taken in Auschwitz Birkenau. You could see chimneys everywhere, every chimney means one barrack?.. A reconstructed barrack. All original barracks were burned by the Sovjets, because infectious disseases were very common in these large barracks. The fence you see was under electricity. There was a therm used in Birkenau called: Er ging zu den Drähten. People who went to the ?Drahten? commited suicide. From here you can pretty much overlook one half of Birkenau. If you could only imagine how it would look with all the barracks still on the campside?. Very impressive to see how large it was?. One of the reconstructed barracks. A memorial was placed in Birkenau in almost every language. This is the Dutch memorial: the memorial is saying: Let this place be a forever scream of despair and a warning to mankind. Here the Nazi?s have murdered around 1,5 million men, women and children, mainly jews from various European countries. Auschwitz ? Birkenau 1940-1945 The white flower you see, were bought be my close friends and me. The end of the railroad, which ment for most of the people, the end of their lives. Here we had a 3 minute of silence, but it remained silent for at least 7 minutes, before people finnaly started whispering again. One of the destroyed crematories. These crematories were destroyed by the nazi?s thereself, to ?camuflage? the war crimes they have done here. Me and a friend took one stone, and took it as a symbol of a person, and ?showed? it the way outside Auschwitz, away from this horror! This was the end of the story. I hope I gave you a good impression of how Auschwitz is. This excursion will allways be in my mind?.. I?ll never forget the excursion in Eastern Europe in 2005. Especially because of the huge emotial load. I recommened everyone, and I mean everyone, that if you are near Auschwitz, to visit it. Photo?s, stories and movies can?t say everything, you?ll have to see it yourself. Kind regards and remember, allways be respectfull to eachother!
Guido Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 03:19 Reply This story has nothing to do with Ruslana Tim - indeed. But I'm glad a young person as you put it here. You are right : it should never be forgotten. Stalin didn't build concentration camps in Ukraine - he just deported them or made them starve. Who killed most ukrainians : Hitler or Stalin ? Sad story too. 25 years ago my favourite was Mikis Theodorakis. As Ruslana he is/was a composer, singer, orchest leader and was in politics. One of my favourites was the Mauthausen Cyclus. About the concentration camps. Liesbeth List sang it in dutch. You know it ?
Tim Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 03:46 - Edited by: Tim Reply This story has nothing to do with Ruslana Tim - indeed. But I'm glad a young person as you put it here. You are right : it should never be forgotten. Indeed, it has nothing to do with Ruslana (that's why it's in the Off-Topic section ;)), but like I said, it something that's good to be shared with everyone. Stalin didn't build concentration camps in Ukraine - he just deported them or made them starve. Who killed most ukrainians : Hitler or Stalin ? Sad story too. Stalin deported most of the prisoners to the so-called Goelags. Some people call the deportations of the Stalin: 'The Great Terror' or 'De Goelag Archipel'. I don't know the exact numbers of Ukranian prisoners, also I don't know the exact numbers on the total ammount of prisoners, but I know that it was the size of the Nazi's during the WWII. In the Goelags people had to work under extreme conditions! Sometimes the temperatures were around -40 *C!!!! People had (both in the concentration camps during the WWII and during the Great Terror) a life without anything good. 25 years ago my favourite was Mikis Theodorakis. As Ruslana he is/was a composer, singer, orchest leader and was in politics. One of my favourites was the Mauthausen Cyclus. About the concentration camps. Liesbeth List sang it in dutch. You know it ? Never heard of the first two, but Liesbeth List I heard of. Heard my father talking about it someday.
Lussekatt Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 04:52 Reply Tim Wednesday, 15th of August 2006, Lussekatt and I had a intresting conversation about my experiences in the concentration camps of Auschwitz. woah, that was a while ago now. I want to read this topic carefully but will now go to sleep so comments come tomorrow!
Tim Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 12:00 Reply Lussekatt woah, that was a while ago now. I want to read this topic carefully but will now go to sleep so comments come tomorrow! 2 Months ago ;) Tempus Fugit
Lussekatt Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 22:37 Reply Tim I hope I gave you a good impression of how Auschwitz is. Certainly I did. Thanks for making all efforts with sharing it all. Its hard to imagine how it can feel to see it all for real. Im actually curious of my own reaction. When I saw that documentary I talked about in August with you I had by then no idea how incredible huge this area is. I didnt know much at all how it looks like there. Have only seen some films, like "Shindlers list", have you seen that? Do you know if that or other films was recorded on the real Auschwitz place you have visited? I saw an american film once with Kirsten Dunst in the leadrole. I had a sence that was filmed in America and not in the real Auschwitz. You see- now I can spell it AUSCHWITZ without no problems (changed from one day to another, LOL) I have learned it from You! Arbeit Macht Frei means: Working gives freedom. without the connection to Auschwitz I personally think the complete opposite about that phrase...... I hate to work my ass off and that gives everything than Freedom!!! because of the Endlosung What is "Endlosung"? I have missed a detail here....
Tim Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 22:57 Reply Certainly I did. Thanks for making all efforts with sharing it all. Its hard to imagine how it can feel to see it all for real. Im actually curious of my own reaction. We should visit it someday togheter, how about Poland 2008 :P? Or Ukraine + Poland 2007 :P? When I saw that documentary I talked about in August with you I had by then no idea how incredible huge this area is. I didnt know much at all how it looks like there. August.... phew, that's a long time ago like you said allready in that above post. Have only seen some films, like "Shindlers list", have you seen that? Do you know if that or other films was recorded on the real Auschwitz place you have visited? I haven't seen many films about Auschwitz itself, but a lot of different movies about the Second World War. One of my favorites is La Vita E Bella and Anne Frank. Anne Frank was deported to Auschwitz and a part of the movie is in Auschwitz itself. I saw an american film once with Kirsten Dunst in the leadrole. I had a sence that was filmed in America and not in the real Auschwitz. Nothing is filmed at the real Auschwitz, but some movies are about the same as it looked back in that time. You see- now I can spell it AUSCHWITZ without no problems (changed from one day to another, LOL) I have learned it from You! Whahaha ;), well, at least someone who learned something of it :) without the connection to Auschwitz I personally think the complete opposite about that phrase...... I hate to work my ass off and that gives everything than Freedom!!! I could imagine that! That phrase was used to make people work harder, the people thought that working hard would lead to freedom, but like I said above, most people died during their work in Auschwitz. What is "Endlosung"? I have missed a detail here.... Endlosung is the whole deportation program from the Nazi's. The Endlosung was launched to create living space for the supperior race.
Lussekatt Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 23:10 Reply Tim We should visit it someday togheter, how about Poland 2008 :P? Or Ukraine + Poland 2007 :P? good idea but then it have to be 2009 as I have to save even more money to visit one more country Anne Frank was deported to Auschwitz and a part of the movie is in Auschwitz itself. Oh yeah, Anne Frank. There is several diffrent filmversions about her life isnt it. I have seen one, maybe two. A really interesting story! That phrase was used to make people work harder, the people thought that working hard would lead to freedom, such an false phrase... poor them!!
Tim Member	# Posted: 16 Oct 2006 23:26 Reply Lussekatt good idea but then it have to be 2009 as I have to save even more money to visit one more country Ok, I have the patiene to wait ;) Oh yeah, Anne Frank. There is several diffrent filmversions about her life isnt it. I have seen one, maybe two. A really interesting story! Yes indeed! Did you know that the diary of Anne Frank, is the most read book in the world (after the bible)? such an false phrase... poor them!! Yes, poor them :(.
Tim Member	# Posted: 5 May 2007 05:36 - Edited by: Tim Reply However it's allready 1.5 hours to late, I would like to bring up this topic again. In the 4th of May the Netherlands stands still and thinks about those who fallen in the Second World War. Without the effort of those brave men, who sacrificed their lives, the war could have turned out completly different. At exactly 20.00 the majority of the people in the Netherlands stands still for 2 minutes thinking about the losses we made during the war. I would like to ask you to do the very same for a minute. Think about how value the freedom is which was given to us by those brave men and women..... Today (5th of May) we hold a day called 'Liberation Day'. On this day we celebrate the liberation of the majority of the Netherlands.
Lussekatt Member	# Posted: 5 May 2007 05:46 Reply Tim what a coindidence you brought this topic up again. Wednesday I was watching a documentary about Auschwitz. There filmed this location as it looks today and I emediately got to think of this topic. In the local paper a worried mum was concerned about her eleven year old son was about to learn about Aushwitz in School. She thought he was too young for it but she got an upset reply from someone thinking he is not. Well we all need to be reminded sometimes. And I never got to visit this place during my vacation abroad which was mentioned in an early stage... and this was an early stage of our great cooperation it feels like, Tim!
Tim Member	# Posted: 6 May 2007 22:42 Reply Lussekatt Wednesday I was watching a documentary about Auschwitz. About what was it? In the local paper a worried mum was concerned about her eleven year old son was about to learn about Aushwitz in School. She thought he was too young for it but she got an upset reply from someone thinking he is not. On primary school we learned the facts about the holocaust on the age of around 12. I don't think that age is too early. Well we all need to be reminded sometimes. Indeed! Sometimes there is a movie on the TV about the second world war, and it emedialty reminds me again to my visit to Auschwitz. It is something I will carry my whole life. And I never got to visit this place during my vacation abroad which was mentioned in an early stage... Maybe on the next trip around the main continent of Europe? and this was an early stage of our great cooperation it feels like, Tim! Yes, this was one of our first projects. And I am glad that many more came and I hope that many more will come in the future :).
Iva Barzic Member	# Posted: 6 May 2007 23:01 - Edited by: Iva Barzic Reply "Ne možete objesiti sve nas. Ima nas 190 milijuna." Posljednje su riječi osamnaestogodišnje Ruskinje prije nogo su Njemci objesili! Auschwitz "You can not hang up all of us. There are 190 milions of us. This are last words of one 18 years old Russian girl before Germanian hang up her! Auschwitz When I read this sentences I start cry...Why?She had just 18 years...
Lussekatt Member	# Posted: 7 May 2007 02:59 Reply Tim About what was it? it was focused on twins that was captured in Auschwitz for experimental purposes. They did cruel tests on them to see how the reactions would be with two indentical persons. This documentary was about twins that did survive it. One was from Ukraine and he went back to his birthvillage there and I think he live in USA now. There is even a website about him but now when I check its for some reason gone but if you are interested there is more to read here Maybe on the next trip around the main continent of Europe? yeah maybe but that might be long time in the future, next I hope for a return to Ukraine And I am glad that many more came and I hope that many more will come in the future :). yeah me too!! Iva Barzic When I read this sentences I start cry...Why?She had just 18 years... yes its really cruel and many was only children, even younger. The part that I think was one of the worst (well everything in it was "worst" but anyway...) was the hearless of them separating families apart. Just to be the one grabbing the children away from their mothers and the wifes from their husbands, watching them crying for dear life but doesnt care at all. Those must have been heartless doing that to other people....
Tim Member	# Posted: 7 May 2007 03:50 - Edited by: Tim Reply Lussekatt it was focused on twins that was captured in Auschwitz for experimental purposes. They did cruel tests on them to see how the reactions would be with two indentical persons. This documentary was about twins that did survive it. One was from Ukraine and he went back to his birthvillage there and I think he live in USA now. There is even a website about him but now when I check its for some reason gone but if you are interested there is more to read here Ewww! It reminds me of something I heard. In Auschwitz the nazi's had a few doctors which had orders to gain as much as information as possible. They usually carried out examinations of the human body without proper sedation. next I hope for a return to Ukraine That'd be great for you :) yeah me too!! was the hearless of them separating families apart. Yes, most of the times complete families were ripped apart. The men usually went straight to work, while the eldery, children and most womens went to the gaschambers. Because they had 'no use'.
Iva Barzic Member	# Posted: 7 May 2007 23:41 Reply Lussekatt i know one women,she was there...she died last year...
Tim Member	# Posted: 8 May 2007 01:27 Reply Iva Barzic i know one women,she was there...she died last year... In a few year the world will only hear the stories of Auschwitz from audio, video and photo material. All the Holocaust victims are passed away then. Those people have seen the worst of all....
Iva Barzic Member	# Posted: 15 May 2007 23:56 Reply Tim Those people have seen the worst of all.... true

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