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ylana
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 12:40
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Cosa_nostra
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Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 12:52
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ylana
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ylana
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 12:58
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Cosa_nostra
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Who know Ukrainian politician before Orange Revolution?

Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 13:03
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ylana
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Do you know who was the first president of the independent Ukraine?

susanne
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 14:02
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ylana
answer to your question
Kuchma

By the way, i saw yushchenko's son on tv ones again. Did you know that he has been giving the copyright of the orange merchandise of his father's party. How do you call that? nepotism? Or did st. nicolas came early this year to give this snotty little fellow a present?

ylana
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 15:21
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susanne
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Kuchma

Well, this is good that somebody knew our country before Orange revolution.
Did you know that he has been giving the copyright of the orange merchandise of his father's party.
Yes, I know this information.
How do you call that? nepotism? Or did st. nicolas came early this year to give this snotty little fellow a present?
Just read article on this subject. All copyright of Orange Revolution was passing Andrew by Nikolay Katerenchuk who was head of juridical department of ?Orange Revolution? and have copyright on it. Yroslav Lesuk is author of this symbolism but if you order to painter own portrait that hold it you or painter. I don?t defeat Yuchenko?s son but if I was in similar situation I give my son and don?t somebody this copyright.

susanne
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 16:27
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ylana

Yesterday there was a program on the radio about nepotism. they said that in holland poeple are emancipating more when it comes to nepotism. And I find that a good developement. Nepotism can destroy the economy and it takes away the changes a talented people. i don't want to offend you but you sound naïv. Yushchenko made a huge mistake by giving the rights to his son in stead of his party, because the symbols are supposed to be the property of the party too. You have to stand up against this. It doesn't matter what their names are kuchma or yushchenko. If they are fooling you then you must criticize this. The idea of what yushchenko did is wrong. It is nepotism of its worse kind. Don't listen to weak excuses. In dutch we would say 'smoesjes'. It is originally yiddish and it means 'bad excuses'.

Guido
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 16:44
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Thank god they are coming back on that silly idea that the free market can solve it all over here.
You are right Susanne. Here in Belgium for internet we had Belgacom (the old monopolist) and now we also have Telenet and a lot of providers.
But I'm afraid they are spending half their budgets making us believe they are the cheapest.
In reallty they are both very expansive compared with France, to name an example.
Each month I pay +/- 40 euro for ADSL.
It's the same problem with telephone : Wit telenet you could phone free from 19 h. So Belgacom makes it from 17 h.
But they have both the same fixed monthly costs, so in your end bill, when you don't use your phone much, it makes no difference.

Toen ik jong was hadden we op de BRT (heette zo vroeger) een programma voor kleuters : Het zandmannetje.
Ik heb de indruk dat er hier veel zandmannetjes rondlopen en ook veel consumenten die erin geloven ook.

My idea about the ex-soviet countries : When they aren't carefull their people will have all the disadvantages of capitalism (free market I should say) without having any of the advantages of socialism they had (education, health ...)
And that is very bad for those people.

Guido
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 16:50
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Susanne, je hebt natuurlijk ook het thema over het Fanntreffen gevolgd.
Zijn wij hier de enige nederlandstaligen die duits kennen ?
Ik heb geen enkele ervaring met dit soort ontmoetingen.
Wat moet ik me voorstellen ? Misschien beter niets.
Ik heb wel zin ....

susanne
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 16:51
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guido

I think the free market is important but it shouldn't go too far. That it leads to just a few poeple that have influence. In holland the socialists built one of the best health care systems in western europe. now they are destroying it under the title 'free market'. This isn't free market because we built up this system with our money and now they are selling it for low prices. It is money of the community.

ylana
I mean what i say very clearly. Now it is the time to stop this kind of stupid behaviour from your president. You voted for him so he should serve you and not only his family. If you don't do something now then you will have another revolution within 10 years. I can't predict what colour and his son should be carefull with the colour orange. It is the colour of our royal family. I hope they will sue yushchenko's son for using the colour orange.

Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 17:01
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susanne
I see the word knows about this Yushchenko-junior's "toys"... This is a horrible situation indeed. That is not what we were voting for...

ylana
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Christiane
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 17:18 - Edited by: Christiane
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susanne
his son should be carefull with the colour orange. It is the colour of our royal family.
The colour orange has a different meaning in the Netherlands than in Ukraine. It is the colour of your royal family, but I don´t think, that Yushchenko´s son is aware of that, as it is also the colour of the ukrainian Revolution, respectively Yushchenko´s party. You can copyright a certain logo or symbol, but no colour.

susanne
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 17:29
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christiane

I knew that it was just wishfull thinking. How could you punish a spoiled boy like that. I thought taking away his toys. I think it is cheap his son uses this symbol for commercial purposes. Yushchenko should give him a kick at his behind. And another person should give yushchenko a kick up his behind.

cosa nostra
I heard it when my father was reading the paper. He said: those poor poeple. They think it will be better but the new president is the same. you must feel disappointed. The worse is that your president has stupid excuses and uses a kind of language that is very manipulating. And about the merchandise. it shows that yushchenko has absolute power in his party. The sympbols are usually the possession of the party not of a single person. Louis the fourtheenth said 'l'etat c'est moi' and yushchenko is saying 'le parti c'est moi. This is a very bad situation.

ChimpoUA
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 17:48 - Edited by: ChimpoUA
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Bleh, I hate Yushchenko! My grandmother said that Yushchenko took 50 Hryvnia from her pension, when she only has 300 Hryvnia per month (?50,-), because the president before him gave too much pension money! And he says in Commerce (magazine about "SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IN UKRAINE"): 'After forming the government in February, our first priority in budget policy was increasing living standards for the most needy in society. This included raising pensions and wages for state workers.'
JEEZ, that's just not right! Taking from arm and give to the rich! Some sort of dooH niboR (Robin Hood in reverse)!

Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 21:43
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susanne
you must feel disappointed.
And I do...

We thought the conflict will be forgotten, Yushchenko'll say sorry... But yesterday Andrij Yushchenko continued doing this lawless action...

susanne
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# Posted: 7 Aug 2005 23:15
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cosa nostra

Well, there are things the judicial system can do, because this is corruption and nepotism. And very opportunistic. The parliament could pass a motion of distrust for example. The opposition could do plenty of things. I don't know what they are doing yet. And you could give up your subscription if you are a member of his party. And make sure his party will loose during the next local elections. In holland you can easily decimate a party in an election, because of our system of proportional representation.

chimpo
Wat erg voor je oma. Ik las in de kranten dat joesjenko al flink aan vriendjespolitiek doet. Zijn zoon rijdt rond in een BMW en hij is nog maar 19. dat kan hij nooit zelf betalen. zijn zoon verdient een flink pak rammel en de president ook.

Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2005 12:03
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susanne
Interesting... The opposition is having a nice time now -- they are happy 'bout the scandal. But the parliament will not pass any law and I don't think somebody will give up subscriptions ... For the members of the party it is a media-killer.

susanne
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2005 16:53
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maybe there is still too much euphoria among the members of his party, but don't forget that when a new political movement rises that there are plenty of poeple who want to benefit from it. Maybe they keep their mouses shut because they have the feeling that they can still get a piece of the pie.
Frankly, i don't understand the opposition they ought to be meaner or they want to be in the coalition with yushchenko's party the next election. We have a party in the opposition called the green party. They always agree with the coalition a couple of years ago because they wanted to form a coalition with the other coalition parties at the time. They were too small to choose partners themself. They even agreed with the war in iraq. can you imagine a left wing green party in the opposition agreeing with that. They wanted to slime their way into power.

Guido
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# Posted: 8 Aug 2005 20:10
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They were too small to choose partners themself. They even agreed with the war in iraq. can you imagine a left wing green party in the opposition agreeing with that.
The same thing has happened here with "de groenen".
What they did in government was so unpopular that it will cost them years to come back.

ylana
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2005 11:09
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susanne
I agree with you in many things. Our country suffers from nepotism many years. At the result economics is destroy. But is in the event of Yuchenko. As I understand Yuchenko didn?t own copyrights of Orange Revolution. They were owned other person. As I said I don?t support Yuchenko in the question of his son. I considered he must be sparer. In such situation we said: ?Don?t pole ducks?.
You have to stand up against this.
I think that Maydan gather too easy again Yuchenko as again Kuchma if him politics will don?t like people.

Thanks for word of support.
You voted for him so he should serve you and not only his family..
My family and I really have very ponderable reason vote for him. I don?t want that happen in my family happen in others. I will support Yuchenko or others who will be realize politics again Kuchmizma.
Cosa_nostra
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Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2005 11:22
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susanne
Maybe they keep their mouses shut because they have the feeling that they can still get a piece of the pie.
No doubt! And they will! I guarantee it.

Frankly, i don't understand the opposition they ought to be meaner or they want to be in the coalition with yushchenko's party the next election.
Our oposition is NOT used to be opposition. Timoshenko is a proffesional opposition, not Yanukovich.

ylana
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Ginta
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2005 11:54
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Maybe Ukrain face is Ruslana

Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2005 11:57
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Ginta
I have to agree with you, as many people didn't know WHAT Ukraine is before Ruslana sang "Wild dances" on ESC.

Ginta
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2005 12:07
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ok

susanne
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2005 18:01
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cosa nostra
I guess the opposition has to get used not being in power anymore. and I'm not sure about timoshenko. I don't like her. It is very irrational but there is something in her eyes I don't like. She doesn't seem sincere. Usually I'm right about poeple.

ylana
It doesn't matter how much money he gives to his son. It is the thought that counts. He gives a bad example to the civil servants. As if it is okey to do so. I remember all those surprised politicains after we said no to the european constitution in a referendum. They couldn't imagine that giving jobs to family members had made poeple so angry.

Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2005 20:26
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susanne
I guess the opposition has to get used not being in power anymore.
It is very difficult for them.

and I'm not sure about timoshenko.
Belive me, she is a true opposition. As Shufrich said: She is the only man in our parliament.

I don't like her.
Some of her action is hard to explain.

She doesn't seem sincere.
I trusted Yulia a long time. She is a nice organizator and a strict person. But I can't say something VERY good that she had done as a prime minister...

susanne
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# Posted: 9 Aug 2005 21:34
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cosa nostra

I bet she is a though lady like margareth thatcher. do you remember her? She was called the iron lady. I bet she gave the government a hard time, but she seems to be a person that is in for the game. she loves the power game, but i haven't seen her idealistic part. My mother is a member of the labour party but she doubt whether she is going to vote for them the next election. Their leader only thinks about strategy and you don't know whether he has any idealistic incentive.

Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2005 11:14
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susanne
do you remember her?
Yeap.

I bet she gave the government a hard time, but she seems to be a person that is in for the game.
I think Timoshenko is the same. But the time will show. She governed a short period of time...

I think no party in our country thinks 'bout idealistic part. Maybe only "Pora", but they were not decleared as a party...

ylana
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2005 11:43
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susanne
He gives a bad example to the civil servants.
You are absolutely right. I agree with you. Yuchenko make mistake with his son.
Cosa_nostra
As Shufrich said: She is the only man in our parliament.
Shufrich come to world arena.

Cosa_nostra
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# Posted: 10 Aug 2005 11:50
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ylana
Shufrich come to world arena.
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