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nikoleta_rangelova
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 11:25 - Edited by: nikoleta_rangelova
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A friend gave me a link to a UA site/blog/newspaper where, on the bottom of the page, you can see people's opinion on Ruslana's new appearance/style/image, which I totally share. They're all in Ukrainian/Russian, but if you have some patience, you can use some online translator or a little "language-guessing".

Among over 40 comments, I didn't see at least one positive. I don't understand why the hell did she have to do something THAT radical. May be she's doing it for herself only already, not for the fans/audience/people, may be she's become self-sufficient and doesn't care if people like her music and projects anymore.

Whatever. But since it's a big disappointment for the UKRAINIANS, what can she expect from the rest? Since her own "tribe" doesn't undersand or like her, where is she going? She's been unsuccessfully trying to be something else, to copy some Western crappy music styles thus failing to do satisfy both, the Western & Eastern audience, turning into something people can't even name. Well, some do, actually, quite accurately.

http://ragu.li/?p=7465&fb_action_ids=4639155696406%2C4638182792084&fb_action_types=og .likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%224639155696406%22%3A50456054955 5355%2C%224638182792084%22%3A384499801620573}&action_type_map={%224639155696406%22%3A %22og.likes%22%2C%224638182792084%22%3A%22og.likes%22}&action_ref_map=[]

cora
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 14:03
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nikoleta_rangelova
May be she's doing it for herself only already, not for the fans/audience/people, may be she's become self-sufficient and doesn't care if people like her music and projects anymore.

There will always be people who like and other who dislike new things. You can't please everyone. If artists are trying to please a large number of people, they are called 'commercial'. Isn't this what we like(d) about her, that she is not commecial and doesn't follow stereotypes? I appreciate her self-realization experiments. I don't have to like everything she does.

Nevertheless I like the Miy Brat video very much. It's really entertaining and funny. I regard this new style of her's as a parody, as something temporary.

I wonder which kind of style she will use for the international market, if the album will be released outside Ukraine. We will see.

WildYennifer
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 14:22
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I disliked both the song and the video.

I'm used to Ruslana's music conveying some message. In some projects it was through lyrics, in others through music, but there was always something deeper. In this video? Hardly. Well, there is an attempt at a deeper meaning, which is her motto: "Sister + brother = fraternization." But the form leaves much to be desired.

I understand Ruslana's new obsession with flashmobs, public events and involving crowd in the video, but that's all good in theory and as a process. The listeners are interested in the final result.

Parody? Maybe. She's imitating Rihanna's hairstyle and the clothes of Japanese teenagers? And maybe I'm not intelligent enough to understand the message behind that mirror/tutu thing, but the way she looks in that part of the video gives me the willies. Seriously.

And as for the international market, let me quote my American friend (an intelligent and educated young woman) who watched the video: "She's going for like, a Harajuku look? It's awful. Everything about the video is awful. The look, the song, the video itself. Gah. That's wretched."

Of course, there are going to be people who like it. There are also people who are ready to like anything she does. And there's a fine line between not following stereotypes and screwing up. If you ask me, I think Ruslana tried to hard not to be typecast as "wild" only that she went a little too far.

nikoleta_rangelova
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 14:42 - Edited by: nikoleta_rangelova
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cora
You can't please everyone.

Of course, but she used to at least please the Ukrainians before and then she also became famous worldwide. But now that's she's a little famous, she'll regret it as now everyone who sees her will know who that crazy-looking person is, haha.


Isn't this what we like(d) about her, that she is not commecial and doesn't follow stereotypes? I

Yes, but what she's done now is nonsensical, according to me.

I don't have to like everything she does.

Sure, but now NOBODY likes it, it seems, judging by people's comments.


WildYennifer
I'm used to Ruslana's music conveying some message.

So was I.


my American friend (an intelligent and educated young woman) who watched the video: "She's going for like, a Harajuku look? It's awful. Everything about the video is awful. The look, the song, the video itself. Gah. That's wretched."

LOL. If I didn't still like that forum for some unknown reasons, I guess I'd also be that nicely blunt... haha.

Btw, may be our forum member Emily will also agree with your friend :D



My point was that she'd hardly received that many negative opinons from even her own people before. She went so far as not to be liked by either most Ukrainians or international audience. Of course, there will be people who'll love her forever, but i've already faced the truth that as an artist, she's leading a lost cause.

Here are some of the comments in that blog, translated in English:


"Oh my God! She used to be so charming."

"Oh Gee. It's not the same age, not the same face... Where's the stylist? Where are the people who can tell her she should NOT do it?"

"Too much stuff... symbolism, strange lyrics, let alone Ruslana's strange style... Is that some Rihanna parody? The song is bearable, without watching the video, and only provided you don't know the language."

"I went mad, what a pity. (cartoon quote)
The only thing I'm wondering about is that lots of people worked on this, pardon my French, video. Why did none of the stylists or directors tell Ruslana it was crap? *More than that, where was her husband when his wife was doing that to her hair? How come?"

"Drinks instead of hair rollers is such a used topic. Oh, Ruslana, you're disappointing me."

"It was supposed to be something like an American black district, I guess, but it looks pitiful."

"Is this that new, unexpected modern and progressive work that she promised? Screw you, Ruslana."
"Well, she didn't lie, it was really unexpected."
"And you believed those promises?"

"The plot isn't clear. The people are dancing with exaggerated joy, trying to copy Afroamerican videos. All of a sudden some bags with babies appear, they were unpleasantly surprising and even more confusing. The only thing that's different is a little awkward blonde girl who appears from time to time and doesn't have any artistry, but looks pretty. [...] All in all, a talentless product, probably by the singer herself. Maybe there are no more good videomakers who can create interesting videos? I guess Ruslana has a bad taste and financial problems. The image isn't conveyed. Maybe there will be another attempt, but there is little hope."

"**I see Beyonce, Fergie and Rihanna - I don't see Ruslana or anything else Ukrainian. I can't get what viewer it's catered for - I think everyone's already too educated in Ukraine and in the US such tricks also don't work anymore"



*Where was her husband? Haha, doing the same to HIS hair.
** So... it seems her uniqueness is gone according to others, too?




Let alone all the... not so pleasant comments regarding her appearance, her being quite skinny already, her not making a child instead of dealing with this, her dressing & looking inappropriately for her age, etc.

cora
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 19:01 - Edited by: cora
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nikoleta_rangelova
My point was that she'd hardly received that many negative opinons from even her own people before.

There were always a lot of people disliking her new image/music. Even the wild style wasn't liked at the beginning, because people wanted her to stick to the romantic image. Remember when Amazonka came out, how the Ukrainian media and a lot of fans complained about it being too American. And when WOW was released, OMG, almost nobody seemed to like neither the song nor her look.

There were times, when she needed 3-4 years to change. Nowadays she keeps changing faster than one can breathe. A few months after the much criticised WOW she came up with Sha-la-la - a completely different and ever so beautiful looking image. If you don't like one image, just wait a couple of months and we will have a completely new Ruslana

She went so far as not to be liked by either most Ukrainians or international audience.

We don't know about the international audience. With regards to Germany, she is gone and forgotten not because of any experimental images, but because of lack of presence during the past 5 years.

As far as I can see, she still seems to be popular in Ukraine. At least she is constantly in the media. It's the nature of the tabloid press to report about 'scandals' and not about good music. If the Ukrainian media one day doesn't bother about her anymore, I would start worrying about her popularity.

Sure, but now NOBODY likes it, it seems, judging by people's comments.

The comments on one page are not representative for the whole country. But thanks for the translations. Very interesting!

WildYennifer
I'm used to Ruslana's music conveying some message.

You are right. The album is designed for flashmob dances and not for a deeper message. For me personally the message of her songs/projects was never that important (due to the language barrier). So I don't mind.

Regarding the meaningless of the new video: Well, most music videos don't carry a message. It's art.

nikoleta_rangelova
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 20:01
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cora

Remember when Amazonka came out, how the Ukrainian media and a lot of fans complained about it being too American. And when WOW was released, OMG, almost nobody seemed to like neither the song nor her look.


Yeah, I remeber, but have anyone apart from a handful of fans here started liking those, anyway? :D


just wait a couple of months and we will have a completely new Ruslana



I'm already afraid of her changes ; )



As far as I can see, she still seems to be popular in Ukraine.

Popular doesn't necessarily mean anything positive :D


[i]The comments on one page are not representative for the whole country.

Okay, but look how many thumb downs the video has?

Dislikes > Likes.

Look how dead the forum is?

cora
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 20:49
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nikoleta_rangelova
Okay, but look how many thumb downs the video has?

Look how many clicks: 26,000 in 4 days!

Look how dead the forum is?

The forum had been dead for quite some time.

AlexandruRomania
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 22:11 - Edited by: AlexandruRomania
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I really like the fact that Ruslana is so creative and unpredictable. Today I was thinking about how would I react if I was missing from the internet for 5 years and now I would be back and see this new music video. I think that I would had been in shock. Really!

I think that most Ukrainians will be unhappy no matter what she does. This is my impression.

I support Ruslana whatever she does because she is a very important part of my life and she is in my heart not only in my mind. I would support her even if she will choose to act in porn when she will be 60 years old.

Also, about the international market, I really think that she can have chart success in Europe if her team will really work hard in doing promo. For her, a Eurovision participation could do wonders at this stage.
Former Eurovision winner Niamh Kavanagh is much more popular now when she placed 23rd in 2010 than when she won in 1993.

Anyway, I'm happy that Ruslana is still active in music. It is better than being inactive

nikoleta_rangelova
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 22:23
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even if she will choose to act in porn when she will be 60 years old.


Now THEN she might get much more fans.

kozi
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 22:29
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The video is just wrong ... why did she do that? i don't understand this. Cans in her hair? Jeez what a poor imitation of Lady Gaga. Really, there was something unike in Ruslana music and style... exactly WAS!

AlexandruRomania
Also, about the international market, I really think that she can have chart success in Europe if her team will really word hard in doing promo

Good that you have some hope...
But i see it compleatly different. People forget about Eurovision stars rly quick. They're popular for one year and then just vanish. Same Ruslana. Why? Cause next year there is a new Eurovision winner and nobody bothers anymore..

Anyway, I'm happy that Ruslana is still active in music. It is better than being inactive


Will also not agree... It's wrong to give fans such sh*t.... I can't use another word to tell something about this video.

cora
The forum had been dead for quite some time.

Cause nobody cares for Ruslana anymore... She gives us trash, then the people just don't care.. Ethno pop is very popular in ukraine, russia or even in poland so.. there are a lot like Ruslana now. Maybe not so strong but still

AlexandruRomania
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# Posted: 16 Sep 2012 22:34
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kozi

eez what a poor imitation of Lady Gaga.

I really doubt that. Ruslana highly dislikes Lady Gaga.

People forget about Eurovision stars rly quick.

That is not the case for everyone. Russian band Serebro are popular now with their new album in Europe.

UkFanOfRuslana
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2012 00:38
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Oh dear.. this song and video has really took a bashing with people! I will always like ruslana in what ever she does. The music is the important thing. I don't like her 'new' videos as I don't understand the meaning of them. I loved her old videos as it represented a whole different culture to me and I found that inspiring... the ukranian views, folk dances, how people dress etc. Now, it isn't as unique as it was. I still like listening to the euphoria album but I don't rush onto youtube to watch her new videos. All that matters is the music. But to be honest, I prefered her old look, her old clothes, her old songs and her old videos. You can't blame her for having a change though

UkFanOfRuslana
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2012 00:41 - Edited by: UkFanOfRuslana
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That is not the case for everyone. Russian band Serebro are popular now with their new album in Europe.

I remember their eurovision "rock" entry?

kozi
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2012 14:30
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AlexandruRomania
I really doubt that. Ruslana highly dislikes Lady Gaga.


Oh rly? As far as I know Gaga was the first one with cans in her hair... and every who hears HAIR and CANS thinks GAGA, as DRES and MEAT again GAGA.



That is not the case for everyone. Russian band Serebro are popular now with their new album in Europe.


I just heard they had a small sucess in Italy. Doubt that Germany, UK or France loves Serebro. People who don't give a F for the Eurovision just don't know their "stars".

Karolina
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2012 15:26
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AlexandruRomania

I really doubt that. Ruslana highly dislikes Lady Gaga.

A lot of artists says that they don't like Lady Gaga, but at the end of the day, they copy her, because her image brought her huge success. And in Ruslana case, she needs attention in her music, because it's dying, so she grabs what is popular in whole world, even though it doesn't suit her. In my opinion if you grab this kind of style, you need to just not show it on the stage or in the video, but you need to really live it, like Gaga does. It's not just stage thing, it's whole life style and that life style doesn't suit Ruslana at all. It's one big failure for her. For me it's like drowning your carer when from the best ethnic singer in the world you end up in Gaga style. It's just not right.

nikoleta_rangelova
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2012 15:39
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kozi
as DRES and MEAT again GAGA.

Haha, I hope we won't see Ruslana with a necklace from meatballs or a scarf with steaks or a sausage belt or something...

Christiane
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2012 16:19
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Karolina
And in Ruslana case, she needs attention in her music, because it's dying, so she grabs what is popular in whole world

Nice try of Ruslana, but empty cans in the hair doesn´t make an international superstar, it needs a lot more to get on top of the charts, where Lady Gaga is for quite a while now already (we´ve been discussing this a hundred times before and I guess, you know, what I´m talking about).

nikoleta_rangelova
I hope we won't see Ruslana with a necklace from meatballs or a scarf with steaks or a sausage belt or something...

A necklace of meatballs wouldn´t be the worst......at least the dogs would play with her
Don´t worry, she´ll be coming up with some more surprises......according to this article, Ruslana adviced people not to become accustomed to her current hair style cause it´s gonna be even more extreme:

http://showbiz.delfi.ua/news/stars/ruslana-rezko-pomenyala-imidzh-i-muzykalnyj-stil.d ?id=1737533

AlexandruRomania
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2012 16:20
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kozi nikoleta_rangelova


as DRES and MEAT again GAGA.

LOL!

Haha, I hope we won't see Ruslana with a necklace from meatballs or a scarf with steaks or a sausage belt or something...

We have a lot of jokes about Gaga's meat dress here. LOL!

Watch this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6_XX5tHRIw

Christiane
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# Posted: 17 Sep 2012 23:31
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cora
If artists are trying to please a large number of people, they are called 'commercial'.

Even those so-called ´commercial´artists never know if things, they create, work out for them in a way, that they will be sucessful with their project. As you said before......you can´t please everyone.

Isn't this what we like(d) about her, that she is not commecial and doesn't follow stereotypes?

Absolutely......she still does, what she likes and feels is OK for her.

Nowadays she keeps changing faster than one can breathe.

You have to be fast, if you want to follow her.

If you don't like one image, just wait a couple of months and we will have a completely new Ruslana

This is for sure........she´s full of surprises and changes.

cora
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# Posted: 18 Sep 2012 20:37 - Edited by: cora
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AlexandruRomania
That is not the case for everyone. Russian band Serebro are popular now with their new album in Europe.

Not in Germany.

support Ruslana whatever she does, because she is a very important part of my life and she is in my heart not only in my mind.

I agree mostly. Also "support" is not the same as "like". I would still support her, even if I don't like a certain look or video or whatever, because it's the person I support, not the look. But there are certain things which I would not support.

kozi
Cause nobody cares for Ruslana anymore... She gives us trash, then the people just don't care..

As you can imagine I don't agree at all. I love the new album. In my opinion it is the best of all her albums. I think there are many reasons why the forum is dead. We have discussed this in this topic.
This controversial video encourages a public discussion, even here on the forum.

As far as I know Gaga was the first one with cans in her hair... and every who hears HAIR and CANS thinks GAGA

Thanks. I must admit that I didn't know that it's indeed a copy of Lady Gaga.

Guido
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# Posted: 19 Sep 2012 00:35
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because it's the person I support, not the look
I agree with that and have nothing more to say about it.

kozi
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2012 12:38
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cora
think there are many reasons why the forum is dead.
But the most importand is that Ruslana don't have international fans anymore... Ukraine seems also not to care...

This controversial video encourages a public discussion
For me is the video not controversial... It is just bad. Bad as hell...

Thanks. I must admit that I didn't know that it's indeed a copy of Lady Gaga.

I don't know why Ruslana wants to be hip... In WD/WE she was real! We felt the energy, we where the rythm with her. Now her image seems to me fake. That is not the real Ruslana we know.

Guido
because it's the person I support, not the look
I agree with that and have nothing more to say about it.


You see i support her as a singer, i do not know her in person. I support her music... That is why i just can't like the new image

Guido
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2012 20:50
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i do not know her in person
I do - a bit ...
Every album has a different style. It's not easy to be a fan - but it's worth it ? What should I say to her : we like you being original but don't exagerate ?

horvat346
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# Posted: 20 Sep 2012 23:46
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i'm lost about news what ruslana does today. well nice song but i know ruslana as she was while singing wild dances and she should go back in the past and do sth like that.

andreas2
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2012 13:55
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in my opinion, the last ''awesome'', 5 star and ruslanish thing Ruslana produced was Wild Energy 2006 version, i don't know what happened from there on, but 2008 Wild Energy album was not cool at all and very forgettable!! (still good though, 4 stars but not Ruslana standards)

Euphoria album is a better than Wild Energy album, but still not 5 stars and not the Wild Dances album level or anywhere close!

we are talking for Ruslana of course, she's great, everything suits her, shalala, ogo ogo and my brat style sure suit her great!
but i believe the more clubbish/cool style suits her much much better!!

it was great to see wow and shalala entering the Europe Hot 100 chart by a good margin, has miy brat charted in Ukraine at all?
it's a nice song and video to me

cora
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2012 18:33
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andreas2
it was great to see wow and shalala entering the Europe Hot 100 chart

Oh, really? I thought the Europe Hot 100 charts are based on sales, but neither single from the Ey-phori-ya album has been on sale.

has miy brat charted in Ukraine at all?

Don't know.

AlexandruRomania
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# Posted: 18 Nov 2012 19:19
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cora

Oh, really? I thought the Europe Hot 100 charts are based on sales, but neither single from the Ey-phori-ya album has been on sale.

http://top40-charts.com/songs/full.php?sid=32557&sort=chartid

I think that it's based on airplay but I'm not sure.

Don't know.

No, it didn't.

cora
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2012 20:49 - Edited by: cora
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Remember my words of 16th September: "If you don't like one image, just wait a couple of months and we will have a completely new Ruslana"

The Miy Brat style was unusual and daring, but this new Euphoria style is really beautiful. I'm loving it



AlexandruRomania
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2012 21:18
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cora

but this new Euphoria style is really beautiful. I'm loving it



I agree with you 100% :D

nikoleta_rangelova
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# Posted: 5 Dec 2012 21:44
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cora
Remember my words of 16th September: "If you don't like one image, just wait a couple of months and we will have a completely new Ruslana"

Hehe. I hate to say it, but you were right..


but this new Euphoria style is really beautiful. I'm loving it

Hmmm, nope, I still hate what she did to her hair !!! :D

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